BSU?

[bsux]

Assalamualaikum…

well...ignore my nick cz thats what i think of BSU unless BSU really Functioning as a real Union.. until then..yall can try to suck it up...chill sja ah..btw my english not that melacis k...so il try nt to make it complicated n il mix wv my malay ah cz some of us ada yg babal skit...

the reason i made this topic bukan pasal aku frust nda dpt naik cruise hari atu…plz lah..nda membari mati nda naik cruise atu…anyways its bcz some of us i mean brunei students in UK and Eire tidak berpuas hati dgn segala events yg d buat oleh BSU...nt all events tho...bt MOST of it...y? well...lets ask BSU...

BSU...which can be known as Brunei student unions...kepada pihak2 BSU sila beri penjelasan to all questions im gna ask yall..

i quote back from whoever made the new/old constitution "...1. To promote, protect and represent the interests of BRUNEI STUDENTS in the United Kingdom and Eire...".

hm...brunei students? siapa sja kan tu? ofcz lah brunei citizen kan...it didnt say only club, unions or student bodies...instead BRUNEI STUDENTS!...wlaupun member or non-member of any organization yg belajar d UK and Eire pebaik tah d hujung2 pulau. yg penting he/she is brunei citizen n study in UK and Eire. so any brunei students tidak terkecuali!

persoalannya skrg ialah...what/who is BSU? how do yall promote urself to us?...via email?...how do u get our emails? Apply for a member?...is it compulsory? or from a friends or relatives. thats for those who knows BSU website. But how yall introduce the website? and how bout for a student yg bru dtg ke UK? Do they really gt the info?...as i was saying in my previous comments using X as my nick...how bout urg ULU? u noe ulu mcm dari labi tu kah tau temburong dpt scholarship ke UK?...how will they know yg BSU ani exist? who will inform them if there is an event going on in UK?

soooo...mestilah member2 BSU lah yg inform durng...bt come on lah…mun gnya mengharapkan website atu terkenal..kiamat dunia lai…abis graduate urg dah…I don’t see any progression promoting yall website unless if yall wna keep it jz untuk kepentingan kmu sendiri..if so..then it is contradict wv yall aim and objective! …meaning to say…yall are hypocrite!…jz using the name of BSU to benefit for yourself! Selagi masih ada segelintir yg nda pernah dgr BSU or the website selagi atu yall are hypocrite k…

Correct me if im wrong…prove me! Not only me..but to others!

Wassalam

[J]

I'm sorry. I just find this really hilarious. For one thing, there is no such argument, you have zero point that you have brought up.

Referring the committee as 'lai'? You yourself sound like kanak-kanak umur 13. Approach in a mature way lah. Unless you are really kanak-kanak umur 13.

I won't comment further. Someone else will surely do. Assalamualaikum.

[V M]

Assalamualaikum To X/Bsux and to whoever feels this way,

I am sorry that this will mostly be in english because my malay inda jua berapa and i will make this as uncomplicated and as straightforward and hopefully at the end of this you will understand.

Firstly i would like to sincerely apologise to all who feel they do not get enough information and tickets for the events we organise for the bruneian student here in UK and Eire.

First issue i would like to clear is one on the sales of ticket. Ok. so the cruise lah, Huda our social welfare officer came up with this amazing idea of a cruise FOR the bruneian students. Now the problem was that we could only have a FIXED and LIMITED amount on the cruise. And in the email which i received myself from the union stated that it was a limited amount and the obvious thing to do was to buy the tickets ASAP if you really wanted to go because it would obviously sell out fast! We have no control whatsoever on who buys or when. We sell the tickets on a first come first serve basis, not if you're from London you're the priority, No unfairness, i am from Kent uni myself. So hopefully everyone understands that certain events we would love to get everyone invovled but due to limited space tickets do sell out fast and IT IS on a first come first serve basis!

Moving on to the next misunderstanding. About the Union itself. Although i have tried to be as understanding and as diplomatic on the point where X has implied that we do not function as a proper union, it is hard not to take it personally. I, and other members of the committee do not appreciate this comment. Most of us, especially those based in london as that's where most of the events are held, have worked really hard and have had sleepless nights (literally) and have put bruneian students interest even before their studies just to make events happen so that bruneian students from all oer can enjoy their experience here in UK.

On the point that ulu people dont know about the Union, with the example of the temburong scholarship student, i find it impossible that you have not heard of the BSunion. Before scholarship students leave for UK MOE holds a COMPULSORY meeting with students to brief them on what to do and what not to do before and during our stay in UK and one whole morning is dedicated to BSUnion to talk about the union at length. Here we promote the Union and moreover we promote the WEBSITE. To those who fail to listen please do not place blame on the union for not knowing, We do try our best to promote the union with our events like Winter games and Raya so i don't quite understand how you do not know about the BSunion but know about the games we organise. Furthermore, most societies are affiliated and are encouraged to be affiliated with the union so that we can communicate easily. The societies are the first to know about events whenever one is held.

I am honestly sorry if some feel disatisfied with the service the union brings you but we do set up this forums for constructive criticism and suggestions too. Students must understand that it is not easy bringing students from ALL over UK and eire together and that distance and funding as well as different term holiday does not make it easier.

I appologise for any hard feelings or any salah cakap.

Thank you,
V M

[shahyzul]

Waalaikumsalam X,

First of all thank you for raising these questions. InsyaAllah, terjawab tah soalan biskita ani now.

1. BSU ani ada 16 members on the council. And we basically promote ourselves by two methods.

(a) every summer break for the past two years, committee ada mengadakan orientation programme untuk semua scholarship students di MOE. At that time we introduce ourselves to the new students and also get as many of them to sign up to the newsletter system. We also let them know what we do in terms of events and like you we quote the constitution and it's provisions just so they know they can talk to us if they ever want to.

the first time the orientation was held was in 2006 and we repeated it last year and even expanded the range of activities that were conducted including ice-breaking sessions, meeting the seniors sessions and team-building games. We even arranged with the British Council to speak at the Education UK Pre-Departure briefing so that we would be able to let even the private students know what the union is about. We also asked for their emails at that point so that we have a reasonable, comprehensive list of both scholarship and private students coming to the UK.

We regularly send emails out to them through our mailing system tapi as is the nature with the internet ada masalah sekali sekala. Atm kami inda dapat send emails because ada glitch in the system.

(b) like you have already suggested, we mainly send emails to let everyone know what events are coming up not just by BSUnion but also by other Bruneian societies. How did we get them? We ask for all the emails that UPP have in their records of current scholarship and private students. We include them into our newsletter system with the email addresses that were give during orientation. There is no requirement to register to be a member of the Union this year as the council have once again decided to include all Bruneian students as members as long as they are studying in the UK and Eire.

Therefore, as long as you have given us your email address either during one of the orientation programmes or to UPP when registering upon first arrival in the UK then you will be in the mailing list. On last check we had almost 900 students on the mailing list. We are short of the 1300 because some people do not give their email addresses in or the email addresses were printed incorrectly in the forms filled in at UPP. In every email that we send we include a section on how to add or invite your friends to the mailing list who are not on the mailing list.

I do apologize if you and some others have not been receiving emails from us. We do our best to get your emails so that we can contact you. But we've also made it easy to join the mailing list. Just go to bsunion.org and click on Subscribe to the BSUnion Mailing List. InsyaAllah you will receive all our updates.

however, as i said earlier the mailing list isn't working at the moment hence why we have not been able to send out emails since march 26th. Our webmaster is currently trying to sort this issue out.

2. inda kami kan harapkan the website saja btw. As I've already mentioned, emails lah yang kami gunakan most of the time. But in every email sent we try to refer as much as possible to the website just in case the system crashes as it has done now.

3. You are entitled to your opinion regarding BSUnion and if you believe that we are hypocrites then it is your belief. However, I assure you that every reasonable effort is made to make sure that every Bruneian student hears of BSU. The orientation programme has been a part of our events calendar for the past two years and will continue this year as well so that all new Uk bound students will know of our existence. If ada yang inda tau pasal BSU atu kami minta maaf and ask for your consideration jua as we do try to get emails through orientation programmes and from UPP. We are trying our best to get the information out to everyone and we are soon going to incorporate the Ketua-Ketua Zon (with their agreement) into our Social & Welfare team so that they can help out spread the news regarding the website and events.

4. If you have any suggestions we would be more than happy to look into them. In the meantime, I hope that you are satisfied with our explanation as to how we promote BSU and also try to reach out to as many Bruneian students as possible.

Sekian

Wassalam

[bsux]

walaikumsalam to whoever the reply above,

as u were saying its a limited amount and the best way was to buy the ticker ASAP. and u also said it will sell out fast as u were saying that most student would like to attend the celebration. from here u should know that the committee should organize a bigger event which they should booked a bigger boat, and if u think the committee wouldnt afford it then jgntah buat arah cruise. baik plng dbuat arah hotel kah apakah which can accomodate a large amount of people, or nda payah d buat event atukah, tantu smua nda dtg, nda jua timbul masalah mcmani kan. tpi nda jua bisai kan, mau jua urg kan celebrate national day d luar brunei and i appreciate what the committe did by organizing big events like national day celebration so that the students can feel at home away from brunei. bt the issue is how the committe run the event and the venue. they should think and organize more carefully which is out of the box to prevent such issue being question.

i know its a first come first served basis, but mun most of the ticket kmu jual tmpt yg berhampiran dgn london and to a big organization only, banar eh first people to come cz they gt the info more faster. i know the committe and the volunteered have worked really hard and i understnd they r student mostly n they gt a life too, but are u whining? klu kan mengusut jgn d buat. klu nda sanggup serahkan sja arah urg yg sanggup. its not compulsory anyways. you should know this better when u applied for a member.


true about the compulsory meeting held by the MoE, but bear in mind im nt only talking about MOE students. how bout private scholarship? do they have the meeting? how can u blame to those who r not listening while there was no meeting held for certain scholarship? rmmbr, BRunei student compromise any scholarship either from governmnt or private sector unless the constitution made by the committee about brunei student referring to MOE student only. if in that case, well i dont have anything to say no more.

some of us do know about BSU, bt not all know about the website n some of use doesn't know at all that BSU is exist even been 2yrs or 3yrs in UK. and about the winter games, i never mention it, plus how do u know we participate in the games? are u sure we know about the games? anyways, speaking about winter games, i heard rumors that BSU organizing winter games n not well organized last year. there was a "casualties" during the event being "abandoned". me myself had "interviewed" one of the casualties. do u or the committee aware that there was a serious fractured in one of the participant? well jz for ur late info there was. mybe some of the committee knew about it, but the casualty wasnt treated "well". what i mean abandoned i meant abandoned like apa nya urg brunei, mcm tunggul. there was no proper medical help. n the person had to go back to his place and went to hospital the next day for treatment. luckily there was no serious injury. what can BSU deduce from this incident? where was the initiative as an organizer to know what was happening during the event? were the committee/organizer only care about the games or the safety of the participant?

overall whatever i said above and my previous comments doesnt mean to demotivate yall effort instead be more proactive and organise. critics will always come and that will rise to improvement.

[shahyzul]

Hi X,

Just wanted to clear up a few things.

1. What V M meant to say was that because ticket limited try to get it asap supaya inda miss out. It's not that we knew that there was going to be a huge response. It was unexpected that people would be interested as this is the first time such an event was organised.

2. Also, we're not whining. We are happy to do all this and having been in the committee for a second year now I made sure that everyone who got onto the committee knew dari awal how hard it would be to organise events. They knew from the start that critics would always exist and like you said it's something that will help us rise to the challenge. We appreciate criticism but name calling crosses a line and is bound to offend (and I've tried to be as diplomatic as possible). However, we are always open to suggestions no matter how they are phrased.

3. As for the orientations, i already mentioned that we have orientations for BOTH scholarship students and private students. scholarship students include normal scheme, special scheme, dana, bas, ministry of religious affairs. They all have to attend the scholarship orientation. mindef, bsp, sultan's scholars and other scholarships ada orientation sendiri (BSP scholars even attend the civics course with seniors so they get info from the seniors) that so far we have not participated in but we are continuously expanding and looking for more ways to reach out. However, at the start of each academic year we always get their email addresses from UPP as all scholars except for Mindef scholars are required to register with UPP. Therefore, we do not feel as though there has not been enough effort to reach out to students. However, we do keep in mind that each event we organise needs to be better than the last.

As for the private scholars, they are given an orientation but only the speeches and none of the activities during the predeparture briefings that they attend organised by the British Council and Education UK. So we definitely reach out to as many bruneian students as possible.

4. As for Winter Games, we had two medical students attending to all casualties. There was a station where players could get treated. As far as possible we gave medical care to everyone. There was no way that the medics could have known that the participant had suffered a fracture during the games. However, if the participant feels like he was ignored then I apologize. Hopefully, this issue can be avoided in the future and I will definitely make sure the medical team are more aware of this incident. Overall, the medical treatment was as prompt as possible (considering that everyone at the medical station including the non-medical team were busy attending throughout the whole day and trust me there were many who needed attention thus pushing our resources to the max) but again we are always looking for ways to improve.

Finally, I just want to say thank you for highlighting issues that did not come back to us. however, again i must assure you that every reasonable effort has been made to ensure as many bruneian students as possible are within reach.

Wassalam.

[shahyzul]

btw i would appreciate if everyone could refrain from any name calling. this forum was set up to encourage positive debate. offending each other will only raise unnecessary tension that will fuel dislike and distrust in one another. the BSUnion Council are fully committed to improving our events and all comments, suggestions and criticisms are welcomed. Name calling, swearing (even on the comments section on the main website) and other like acts are not needed to make anyone's points heard.

Thanks for all criticisms and comments made so far. I hope that this continues (in a positive manner) as it provides the team with an external viewpoint which will ultimately contribute to improving the organisation and our events.

[bsugood]

;D
well i think you guys are doing a great job
i'm thinking back when BSU was very much just a london thing
it can't be helped that because london does have a lot of students and hence that's probably why you guys got the votes eh?
well at least ada jua committee members dari luar london
i remember when there weren't any representatives at all yg bukan londoners a few yrs back
of course ada room for improvement as is with everything tapi just wanted to give some positive feedback
just 'chill sj' and remember whatever you do, you won't be able to please everyone! lol

cali jua these smilies

go the union!

[bsucool]

i really dun understand this bsux guy. is it benci kah terhadap bsu? meluat? dendam? why r u so marah to them dat u call them names and marah2 abt what they are doing?

ok scholarship students shahyzul udah explen lah. orientations..pre-departure briefings..sivic course.. for private students atu... c'mon... bila durang smpai uk:
1. dey get to kno org scholarship student in their uni..which wud tell dem abt BSUnion..
2. kalau durang paling ulu pun (or sorg gnya di uni atu) for sure durang ada kawan org brunei dari uni lain yg scholarship student jua (or bekawan sama org scholarship student) so eventually wud kno abt BSUnion
3. kalau ia (private student) nada kawan pun.. ia mesti attend the british council departure briefing for private students mostly...so ia pun tau pasal BSUnion
4. kalau ia inda attend that talk.. and ia datang ke uk (tanpa making any research) mesti jua ia kn cari brunei hall...and bila ia ke brunei hall nampak jua signs/posters kadang2 pasal BSUnion
5. kalau ia inda attend talk..inda cari brunei hall... inda berikhtiar utk cari anything bruneian masa di uk... org brunei pada i.c n passport gnya tuu.. mun ia inda mau to do anything with brunei..inda kan di paksa (ada plang sorg dua catu kali...tpi org ani malas tia ingau kn attend any event kali...apa lagi kn komplen2 pasal abis tiket. dui..malas tia ingau)

mcm inda logic bah org brunei ke uk inda tau pasal BSUnion. esp kalau 2 - 3 tahun dah di uk.. mcm..ignorant jua tuu...

contohnya: hotel lima bintang kn mengadakan offer. siapa saja boleh dtg tidur satu mlm free. tpi first come first serve. and dey promote it rah tv..radio..internet... skali ada tah sorg ani...inda tau kewujudan hotel atu mula2. skali ia dpt tau pasal hotel atu n the offer...its too late. no more rooms. jadinya ia kn marahi hotel lima bintang atu? di ucap2 pasal ia inda tau pasal offer atu? di ungkit2 perkara lama yg dilakukan oleh hotel lima bintang atu? AUT JUA TUU!!!

btw..atu contoh. hehe.

oo..lagi satu. bsux cakap 'some inda puas hati dgn events yg di buat oleh BSU'. ertinya those 'some' atu pernah aga the event. ertinya tau pasal BSunion exist. skali tiba2 bsux cakap pasal 'selagi masih ada segelintir inda pernah mendangar pasal BSU'.........
kalau inda pernah dgr pasal BSU...inda jua ia tau pasal the events. kalau inda tau events inda lah tau bagus kah inda BSUnion events tuu. kalau inda tau...kenapa mesti marah?

anyway.. i'm just writing down wat i feel. and this comes from org yg bukan in the committee and bukan tinggal di london jua. and my uni pun inda jua berapa ramai banar org brunei.

chill sajaaaaaaaaa~~~ ;D

[bsucool]

oo..a bit of tambahan...

(refering back to bsux punya reply) ia tanya how can BSUnion know if EVERY bruneian student know abt the winter games. BSUnion know every bruneian student who knows about BSUnion will know abt the game.

pasal if i haf this party (example) i invite all those i know lah (i.e. every bruneian yg tau pasal BSUnion) if i dunno u why shud i invite u.. and u dunno me...why wud u wanna come to my party in the first place anyway... but... if i dunno u but u kinda know me...den dapat jua u ask me abt it... den i tell u more abt my party...den i invite u lah...

den pasal the causalties. haiya... contohnya ah (awu bah..i like to use contoh bah. hehehe)
makan2 bbq lah. di pantai (*sigh* i miss home!) ramai org and ur one of it. skali i sediakan area tpt mkn (tukang salai ada ready). and u feel lapar. first u tell me lah... gtau bisai2..ramai kali ah org... bnyk kn di layan. if u dun tell me how can i kno u lapar or not. i'm not psychic. den i show u where tpt mkn is. inda kan after that i haf to suap food to u just so u dun feel lapar. sendiri lah.

as mentioned.. 2 medics were there. and if causalty atu parah inda kan di biar kan...sekiranya ada org pengsan bah (nauzubillah)..inda kan committee kan biar kan saja if they know abt it.

hmm... so yea... my 2p on this matter.

[bsucool]

asalamualaikum agen! ;D sorry..but i haf to say few more things...

bsux... mau jua ku kan tau... are you first/second/third year/masters/phd student in uk?? (or biskita keraja udah? on which case if u do.... erm... lagi tia inda ku paham napa biskita marah2 pasal brunei STUDENT union ani. heheh)

if ur first/second year student, you shud run for one of the post in the committee next year... since you seem to kno 'buruknya' bsu ani. i'm sure ada org vote for u if they kno ur that bsux guy/girl(?) who thinks BSUnion is a hypocrite union..bcoz if ur in the committee...dat means u do not want BSUnion to be a hypocrite union...kan???

if ur postgrad stdent... then i'd be very surprise pasal kalau kita postgrad ertinya biskita ani more mature and hence wiser... u kno committee nya atu org undergrad.. sepatutnya biskita sebagai yg lebih dewasa..meliat 'adik-adik' biskita atu menjalankan sesuatu inda tantu or bisai.. di tagur bisai2 lah... ani marah2 tia plang... mun org committee marah2 balik... paham2 lah durang muda (dari biskita)...

and if ur working... erm.... entah ah...lagi tia cali kali u marah2.. hee...

dan... u cakap "klu nda sanggup serahkan sja arah urg yg sanggup. its not compulsory anyways. you should know this better when u applied for a member."

erm.... if ur a bruneian student (esp. last year)....u r automatically A MEMBER UDAH!
bsunion.org/content.php?id=membership
(well...not sure this year lah...tanya org bsunion)

ok. basically i just dont understand why bsux marah berabis kan bsunion. i think bsunion are doing a great job. esp akhir2 ani... like bsugood sed... bsunion dulu2 lgi tia... semua org london saja.

events pun... bisai dah...contohnya masa raya... makanan cukup utk semua org dah. stage tpt persembahan pun...semua nampak. den ada tambahan cruise ship atu... bisai jua tuu... kalau dulu mana ada celebrate apa2 langsung masa national day.

masa di brunei pun bisai. ada jua arah newspaper brunei pasal BSUnion mengadakan orientation atu.

so all in all.... semoga terus berjaya BSUnion!

[anon]

i know this is late but lol what a bullnuts thread.

bsu have done their best, they are students too and they are here to study. not make events for everyone to socialize in.

to bsu members, don't put the union over your studies, it is not worth it. the only thing you're getting from this is an extra line in your resume - which in my opinion doesn't even mean anything.

"and u also said it will sell out fast as u were saying that most student would like to attend the celebration. from here u should know that the committee should organize a bigger event which they should booked a bigger boat, and if u think the committee wouldnt afford it then jgntah buat arah cruise. baik plng dbuat arah hotel kah apakah which can accomodate a large amount of people, or nda payah d buat event atukah, tantu smua nda dtg, nda jua timbul masalah mcmani kan."

bullnuts quote of the year.

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